tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30792847.post2243736819787661307..comments2023-06-15T12:11:39.884+01:00Comments on Little Miss Rachel: ChivalryRachelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15452082852708707013noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30792847.post-76474380850501882962008-01-10T11:41:00.000+00:002008-01-10T11:41:00.000+00:00I am perhaps, at heart, rather an old-fashioned gi...I am perhaps, at heart, rather an old-fashioned girl, so I enjoy social customs and manners which I do agree with you go beyond mere respect for each other. For example, I am a firm believer in the person who invites the other to a meal or whatever to be the one to pay for it, not splitting the bill. However, I do not see that this should always be the man and I am happy to pay myself if I am the one doing the asking. <BR/><BR/>I suppose my views were summed up by my potential brother-in-law when he gave me my Christmas present (a Smythson address book) saying "you're just the kind of girl that would appreciate this as I know you still write and send hand-written letters". <BR/><BR/>I am not saying that everyone should embrace potentially rather out-dated manners if this makes them feel uncomfortable, rather that if everyone behaved how they would like others to behave then I think people would be happier. <BR/><BR/>Personally, I cannot understand how any female would find chivalry annoying. I can see the arguments that one might make against some things being rather outdated and no longer necessary in our modern lives but to find someone who is being polite annoying seems to me rather ungrateful and contradictory. <BR/><BR/>I would be interested to know people's actual thoughts on the subject of chivalry and whether there still is a place for such manners and whether people do behave in this manner.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15452082852708707013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30792847.post-82576902263327361532008-01-10T11:21:00.000+00:002008-01-10T11:21:00.000+00:00Thanks for your comments Cumbrian. I do see what y...Thanks for your comments Cumbrian. I do see what you mean - such is the thing of blogging that I bashed out my thoughts and never spent the time developing the actual words on the page. I did of course mean that not all men lack chivalry rather that it can appear that way.<BR/><BR/>Londoners are perhaps more mannered than they used to be but every day people are rude. That said, I had a nice conversation with the ticket man at the underground station this morning.<BR/><BR/>However, when I was at home over Christmas (i.e. at my parents house where I grew up) I was taken ill whilst shopping and semi-collapsed on the floor of the ladies loo in a department shop. All of the ladies who came into the loo offered me assistance, one got me water, one helped me to gather up my shopping and waited with me until my sister arrived with her car. Every single person we met on the way to the car park offered me help in some fashion. That sort of thing never happens in London. I have been taken ill on the tube before and people simply ignore you and look the other way. <BR/><BR/>My computer is about to shut itself down so I will answer your other points shortly.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15452082852708707013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30792847.post-11154814776555726072008-01-10T07:28:00.000+00:002008-01-10T07:28:00.000+00:00You are being rather naughty here Rachel. You sta...You are being rather naughty here Rachel. You start by doing something which I always find rather bothersome - making the sweeping statement that all men are the same - in this case lacking in chivalry. Having condemned us all you then cite cases which prove that all men are not like this. I would never lump all women/men together in a blanket statement because we are all individuals and that is what makes life interesting. Having recently visited London for the first time in 23 years I really noticed how courtesy and good manners were evident everywhere. I assumed that this high profile good manners had been brought into the city by the influx of immigrants who still seem to value the idea of respecting others. One must also point out that there are still many women who are annoyed by chivalry and make this quite clear. Manners really have to do with custom and it is difficult to argue the case for something that you should do just because it's the thing to do - if you see what I mean. In reality a healthy women is as capable of standing on a moving vehicle as a man. I'm in favour of treating each other with respect but social customs I find are different and a law unto themselves. Where there are genuine differences between men and women then these should be valued and celebrated. I agree that equal pay for a particular job should be the norm.Cumbrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02406101849943890127noreply@blogger.com